he was aware of the report he and others authored within the defense department and tried to get those in congress and the executive branch to pay attention to the findings in the report and went to the new york times as a last resort. in the case of bradley manning and edward snowden, they went to the guardian and to wikileak' as a first resort so i don't see them as whistle-blowers. i think in the case of bradley manning, he had no idea what was in many of the documents he provided. i don't think there is any human being that yet has gone through all 700,000 documents. so i think it's hard -- the first cable he provided was about a dispute called i save between iceland's great britain and the netherlands. the united states was not a party to it. so from iraq i don't think he's in a position to evaluate u.s. policy towards iceland and decide whether it's right or wrong. >> i mean, alan, if you don't bun niche the whistle-blowers, traitors, whatever you want to call them, no matter what side you're on, you can't have open season. you can't have everybody you have access to classified m